# {Discussion} - The Economics of Gas Abstraction and Harbour

**URL:** <https://forum.safefoundation.org/t/discussion-the-economics-of-gas-abstraction-and-harbour/6748>\
**Category:** Safe Ecosystem\
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**Created:** [September 24, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.safefoundation.org/t/discussion-the-economics-of-gas-abstraction-and-harbour/6748 "2025-09-24T15:08:25Z")\
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**Author:** ![MetaGuardian](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.safefoundation.org/metaguardian/32/590_2.png) [@MetaGuardian](https://forum.safefoundation.org/u/MetaGuardian)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.safefoundation.org/t/discussion-the-economics-of-gas-abstraction-and-harbour/6748/1 "2025-09-24T15:08:25Z")

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Gm SafeDAO folks,

We’ve just posted an [opinion piece](https://safe.global/blog/safe-research-the-economics-of-gas-abstraction?utm_source=safe_forum) on the economics of gas abstraction and its relevance to Harbour. Interested to hear your thoughts on **who** should pay for a gasless experience, especially in the context of the [decentralised backend](https://forum.safefoundation.org/t/discussion-decentralizing-safe-s-transaction-service-creating-a-sustainable-revenue-model-for-the-safe-token/6574/5) that @DennisonBertram first posted about earlier this year. Note: [Harbour](https://github.com/safe-research/harbour) is our decentralised queue in terms of naming. And this article compares the gas economics of other projects as well as Harbour.

> **[Who Really Pays? The Economics of Gas Abstraction](https://safe.global/blog/safe-research-the-economics-of-gas-abstraction?utm_source=safe_forum)**
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> This post discusses the hidden economics of gas abstraction, compares L2 relayer models, and explores why sustainable incentives are the real challenge.

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**Author:** ![adamhurwitz.eth](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/forum.safefoundation.org/adamhurwitz.eth/32/167_2.png) [@adamhurwitz.eth](https://forum.safefoundation.org/u/adamhurwitz.eth)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.safefoundation.org/t/discussion-the-economics-of-gas-abstraction-and-harbour/6748/2 "2025-09-25T21:53:14Z")

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For finding successful long lasting products and protocols knowing how the costs are handled is just as important as where the yield comes from.

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This also reminds me of [open source yield OSY](https://x.com/adamshurwitz/status/1834201643438788999) understanding where the yield comes from.